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established or in the 2011 decisions. the salmon be true of four non convenience or any other defenses. -- the same would be true for or any atonveniens the other cases. the court should not accept the categorical position asserted by either of the respondents, which are the broadest categorical positions even rejected by the government, or the government's modify categorical position. those kind of issues can be dealt with and well established doctrine's where lower courts have a body of jurisprudence but they can use to do this. the alien tort statute as was applied to human rights cases is part of a trend in the world today. the trend of the turn of the world today is towards universal justice for people that -- and corporations that violate this kind of norms. that is the trend. the united states has been the leader of the inter that. our government has proclaimed our leadership position to you and bodies and around the world. >> the united kingdom and the netherlands did not think so. >> well, the united kingdom and the netherlands have obviously asserted this position. 21 days af
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